(FlyPrescott cannot guarantee the accuracy of this info):
Question: Can the additional cost (beyond 17.5k annually) be covered with the Yellow Ribbon Program at a PRIVATE college? I.E. Will ERAU match funds with the VA allowing the helicopter flight program to continue?
Answer: If the school is a participant in the
Yellow Ribbon Program (YRP) then the student MAY have the additional cost covered by the private institution. Each institution has a different amount alloted for the YRP. For example, an institution may only have a limit of $2,000/student/year alloted for the YRP. This means that only $4,000 above and beyond the tuition and fees combined at a private school. The way YRP works is the VA matches whatever the institution contributes. So, if you are a student at a private institution which has an annual combined tuition and fees at $21,500 and the school participates in the YRP at $2,000/student/per and student student is accepted into the YRP, the student can expect that the VA will pay $17,500, the school will "kick in" $2,000 and the YRP will kick in the remaining $2,000 for a total of $21,500.
We believe that ERAU (all of the campuses)
participate in the YRP with an unlimited cap to an unlimited number of students. However, we are not sure to say that they will YR flight students. We suggest you contact your institution and counselors for specifics and we hope to see more info from ERAU shortly so we can post the most accurate up to date info. Students can search for YRP schools at the following link:
http://www.gibill.va.gov/gi_bill_info/ch33/yellow_ribbon.htm
Question: Can the helicopter FLIGHT training be accomplished at a public institution like Yavapai College and then transfered into Air Science degree at ERAU?
Answer: Yes. In most cases, a student can expect that
Question: Can the additional cost (beyond 17.5k annually) be covered with the Yellow Ribbon Program at a PRIVATE college? I.E. Will ERAU match funds with the VA allowing the helicopter flight program to continue?
Answer: If the school is a participant in the
Yellow Ribbon Program (YRP) then the student MAY have the additional cost covered by the private institution. Each institution has a different amount alloted for the YRP. For example, an institution may only have a limit of $2,000/student/year alloted for the YRP. This means that only $4,000 above and beyond the tuition and fees combined at a private school. The way YRP works is the VA matches whatever the institution contributes. So, if you are a student at a private institution which has an annual combined tuition and fees at $21,500 and the school participates in the YRP at $2,000/student/per and student student is accepted into the YRP, the student can expect that the VA will pay $17,500, the school will "kick in" $2,000 and the YRP will kick in the remaining $2,000 for a total of $21,500.
We believe that ERAU (all of the campuses)
participate in the YRP with an unlimited cap to an unlimited number of students. However, we are not sure to say that they will YR flight students. We suggest you contact your institution and counselors for specifics and we hope to see more info from ERAU shortly so we can post the most accurate up to date info. Students can search for YRP schools at the following link:
http://www.gibill.va.gov/gi_bill_info/ch33/yellow_ribbon.htm
Question: Can the helicopter FLIGHT training be accomplished at a public institution like Yavapai College and then transfered into Air Science degree at ERAU?
Answer: Yes. In most cases, a student can expect that
his/her college credits for flight can transfer to another institution of higher learning. Of course, there are several things that need to be considered.
1) The institution the student is transferring FROM should be a 14 CFR Part 141 flight training program. This does not mean that the student need to complete the Part 141 program (in some cases, it is better to enroll Part 141, complete the Part 61 requirements and earn the certificate). In almost all cases, the flight training center offered at a public institution will be a 141 school. If it is not a Part 141training center, the VA might have some concerns with the credit they are awarded. This is really a very very minor issue as most institutions with a flight training program are 141 approved.
2) What FLIGHT credits will transfer? Most
1) The institution the student is transferring FROM should be a 14 CFR Part 141 flight training program. This does not mean that the student need to complete the Part 141 program (in some cases, it is better to enroll Part 141, complete the Part 61 requirements and earn the certificate). In almost all cases, the flight training center offered at a public institution will be a 141 school. If it is not a Part 141training center, the VA might have some concerns with the credit they are awarded. This is really a very very minor issue as most institutions with a flight training program are 141 approved.
2) What FLIGHT credits will transfer? Most
institutions, such as ERAU or UND, offer minimal credits for flight training. For example, a student at ERAU will earn 1 credit for the Private Pilot FLIGHT course. A students needs to be aware that this may take place from one institition to another.
3) If a student has NOT completed a flight course (i.e. leaves one institution for another in the middle of the instrument course) the student needs to have all appropriate FAA Part 141 paperwork...specifically training records. It would be in the best interest of the student to bring a copy of the syllabus or TCO (if they can get a copy of it). FAR Part 141.77(c)(1) says that if credit is being transferred FROM a part 141 school, then up to 50% of the curriculum requirements may be transferred. FAR Part 141.77(c)(2) If the credit is not based upon a part 141-approved training course, the credit given that student for the previous pilot experience and knowledge shall not exceed more than 25% of the curriculum requirements. Each student needs to understand how credit is transferred for flight training.
4) Lastly, the amount of transfer credit is at the
3) If a student has NOT completed a flight course (i.e. leaves one institution for another in the middle of the instrument course) the student needs to have all appropriate FAA Part 141 paperwork...specifically training records. It would be in the best interest of the student to bring a copy of the syllabus or TCO (if they can get a copy of it). FAR Part 141.77(c)(1) says that if credit is being transferred FROM a part 141 school, then up to 50% of the curriculum requirements may be transferred. FAR Part 141.77(c)(2) If the credit is not based upon a part 141-approved training course, the credit given that student for the previous pilot experience and knowledge shall not exceed more than 25% of the curriculum requirements. Each student needs to understand how credit is transferred for flight training.
4) Lastly, the amount of transfer credit is at the
discretion of the accepting institution. These credits may be for flight training, ground school, math, English, basket weaving, etc. Each institution has a standard procedure for accepting credits from other institutions, mainly driven by accreditation standards. Generally, schools that are regionally accredited (NCA, SACS, etc) may accept credit from other schools that are regionally accredited. This is to say that students attending Yavapai College are likely to be able to transfer credits to ERAU because both institutions are regionally accredited.
*We believe that Yavapai College and ERAU have some form of agreement for transfer credits, but we do not know the details of that agreement. Check with your institution on this.
Question: Will these public programs accept transfer students from private institutions such as ERAU?
Answer: Students can expect that most public institutions will accept transfer students from ERAU. Because ERAU is a regionally accredited institution, students should be able to transfer credits to public institutions. Again, we must stress that the accepting institution is the organization that will make the final decision on the acceptance of transfer credits and the student should contact the admission department of that institution. We have read that some public institutions will not be able to accept all students immediately because of capacity constraints. This means that some institutions that have similiar programs to ERAU do not have the ability to accept a large number of students. It is in the best interest of the student, if they are considering attending a public institution, to contact that institution immediately. Students at private institutions need to consider what options are available after August 1, 2011 and begin to solidify those options before the possibility of a waiting list prevents the students from continuing immediately after August 1st.
*It should be noted that FlyPrescott has done it's best to get the most
accurate information on this subject. We hope this information assists the readers and begins the conversation and thought process to help our veterans and flight students make the best choices. Locally speaking, we support both ERAU and Yavapai College, they are both excellent institutions. Like any good pilot, do your research, prepare a proper flight plan and take off. As more info comes in on this topic, or, should we have corrections from ERAU or Yavapai College, we will post immediately. Thank you.
Links to:
ERAU Program:
http://prescott.erau.edu/degrees/undergraduate/index.html
Yavapai College Aviation Program:
http://www.yc.edu/webtools/apps/academics/default.asp?dept=AVT
*We believe that Yavapai College and ERAU have some form of agreement for transfer credits, but we do not know the details of that agreement. Check with your institution on this.
Question: Will these public programs accept transfer students from private institutions such as ERAU?
Answer: Students can expect that most public institutions will accept transfer students from ERAU. Because ERAU is a regionally accredited institution, students should be able to transfer credits to public institutions. Again, we must stress that the accepting institution is the organization that will make the final decision on the acceptance of transfer credits and the student should contact the admission department of that institution. We have read that some public institutions will not be able to accept all students immediately because of capacity constraints. This means that some institutions that have similiar programs to ERAU do not have the ability to accept a large number of students. It is in the best interest of the student, if they are considering attending a public institution, to contact that institution immediately. Students at private institutions need to consider what options are available after August 1, 2011 and begin to solidify those options before the possibility of a waiting list prevents the students from continuing immediately after August 1st.
*It should be noted that FlyPrescott has done it's best to get the most
accurate information on this subject. We hope this information assists the readers and begins the conversation and thought process to help our veterans and flight students make the best choices. Locally speaking, we support both ERAU and Yavapai College, they are both excellent institutions. Like any good pilot, do your research, prepare a proper flight plan and take off. As more info comes in on this topic, or, should we have corrections from ERAU or Yavapai College, we will post immediately. Thank you.Links to:
ERAU Program:
http://prescott.erau.edu/degrees/undergraduate/index.html
Yavapai College Aviation Program:
http://www.yc.edu/webtools/apps/academics/default.asp?dept=AVT
2 comments:
This has some inaccurate info. If you transfer into Riddle with a Private Pilot certificate you get credit for the flight course and the Ground school. So that would total 4 credits.
I don't think that information is inaccurate. I just think that there is some need for clarification. In fact, I think the answer is right. Let's make some assumptions.
1) Flight courses and ground school courses are different. This is like a physics class and a physics lab. They are two different classes at different times and worth different credit amounts.
2) Each school isn't the same. This means that ERAU offers different credits from UND from Western Michigan from Yavapai College and that YOU (the student) needs to consult your advisor for the information from YOUR school.
3) Finally, question two and answer two refer specifically to FLIGHT credits. Let's assume that this is all that was being discussed.
So now that we have made these assumptions, let's do some math.
PRIVATE PILOT CERTIFICATION
(4 Credits)
Flight Course 1 Credit
+ Grnd School Course 3 Credits
= Private Pilot Cert. 4 Total Cdts
Mr./Mrs. Anonymous above, you are correct that the Private Pilot Certificate is worth 4 Credits. The question referenced flight credits awarded at ERAU.
Again, these credits differ from one institution to another and I think it is important for the student to speak with a VA Rep. or Advisor when considering such changes.
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